I wrote a post about The Duggars and Blogher syndicated it!! Very exciting but some interesting comments came about from that little post!!
The most interesting was from Mike. Mike claimed that we just didn’t understand the entire quote about Submission. That we ( I am assuming he means women or non-believers or a mix) leave out the important part of the quote or we don’t tend to quote it properly and in its entirety!
Actually, let me quote Mike exactly!
Here is Mike’s comment!
“I assume that being in submission to your husband could open you to abuse…as much as I believe that being a shrew, nag, or any other thing could also open you to abuse… and Probably being one of the latter would probably be a more likely reason for it happening….
The sad thing is that those that are always harping on the “Submission” ALWAYS leave out the rest of the statement…
Colossians 3:24 and 25 Now as the Church submits to Christ, so wives are to submit to their husbands in everything. HUSBAND LOVE YOUR WIVES, JUST AS CHRIST LOVED THE CHURCH AND GAVE HIS LIFE FOR HER.
Somehow that last part is always left out…. Now if the Husband loves his wife as Christ loves the church… there will be NO ABUSE.”
MIKE
Look at that quote! Does it scare the BaJEZEEEESUS out of you? It scared my husband!
Mike believes that being a shrew,nag or anything else can open you up to abuse MORE than submission? NOOOOOOOOO! Mike, you are an IDIOT. There is NO EXCUSE for abuse by a man or woman. I don’t give a shit if your spouse is THE BIGGEST pain in the ass in the world, you have NO RIGHT TO ABUSE another human being! BUT, I would argue that the belief in SUBMISSION is used by MEN and WOMEN to justify abuse!
Now, the quote and yes, the ENTIRE QUOTE. Listen, I am Catholic and well, I don’t fit in that category of STRICT interpretation of the BIBLE and here is the deal, I was taught that God wants us to RESPECT AND LOVE EACH OTHER. Here is THE WAY I LOOK at THAT quote! The quote about submission and all that jazz! Yes, we can all tell how theological I am LOL. I put it in context of the time. THE BIBLE WAS WRITTEN a long time ago, remember? And then I still take the important lesson. I feel the lesson,My husband should love me and treat me with respect and I should do the same but neither of us should do that at the risk of hurting ourselves. If my husband is leading me down the wrong path or hurting me then I must be strong and stand up for myself and vice versa. Unfortunately, too many women and men, in MY HUMBLE OPINION misunderstand that quote and it leads to the degrading of women. I think we get caught up in the semantics. In our world SUBMISSION conjures up awful things and I think what the authors or God is trying to say to women is don’t ‘ridicule your husband and embarrass him’ and I think the authors were trying to tell husbands to love their wives as much as God because at that time God was considered THE TOP, you know trying to tell them to put wives right up there, treat them DAMN good.
I stand behind my original post and I think Michelle Duggar has a right to her opinion but I do think her opinion is silly and to teach a woman that she must make less money than her husband to have a happy marriage is sad. Worse, why would you hurt your family in that manner? If your wife has the opportunity to bring more money into the home and provide for the family then isn’t a man allowing PRIDE, which is a sin to get in the way? That is not loving your wife and family, right? That is putting PRIDE first!
Anyway, I am sure we could debate theology, which anyone would win over me but I think God laughs at us more than we know. I think he/she or the Spirit thinks, “Goodness, they really do fight over some silly things and Semantics sure does trip them up” (shakes his whatever he has to shake)
BUT, SORRY MIKE REALLY SCARES ME!!! When a guy says that SUBMISSION prevents abuse and nagging and shrews are more apt to abuse, well, run from MIKE and guys LIKE MIKE!!!!
What do you think about MIKE’S quote? Did I read it wrong?
Anyway, I love this song by Shania Twain and you are use to MUSIC on Monday! Enjoy!!
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There is no justification in the world for abuse. I don’t follow a literal translation of the bible either. I consider the context to be relative to the time period in which it was written. And submissive I will never be. Respectful, considerate, loving, supportive, kind….all that good stuff, yes.
I think Mike went a little extreme on his comment and it’s sad because at the root of it, I agree that the part about men giving their lives for their wives, is often forgotten.
It’s a hard scripture to stomach for men and women alike. It’s really hard for both men and women to live in a way where we completely live for the other. In fact, it’s downright near impossible sometimes. Still, I think the idea, the basic biblical principal is to state the HUGE importance of both spouses living for each other completely.
Unfortunately, people try to use this beautiful verse and twist and contort it into something that justifies abuse and control, neither of which the bible condones. I also think that so many Christians tend to live in extremes and I didn’t read everything that Mrs. Duggar said but if she is suggesting that a woman should not make more money than her husband, that is definitely an extreme and does it’s own good job of twisting scripture.
People in this world like Mike are why I don’t like to leave my house!
Congrats on being syndicated on BlogHer!
Wow..syndicated! Woot! Anyway… until I started blogging and reading other blogs I didn’t even “know” what submission was…nor why we should! I mean I know what it was but didn’t know people “practiced it” and I am not naive… Mike is one scary dude! The end
I really like her but have never heard that song before. Pretty good.
I think the problem is people read A verse from the Bible – instead of the Bible in it’s entirety. natrually, this will lead to misinterpretations. And is also quite useful to anyone who desires to twist Gods’ words to their own purposes. Hence, yes a rather scary quote from this guy.
This is what half-readers miss: The submission in this verse refers to Spiritual: meaning the husband is the spiritual leader of the home. It does mean that he should dominate and control her. It doesn’t mean he gets to do whatever the heck he wants, without consequence. That wouldn’t be love. It also means in turn, and independent of his wife’s response, he will be held accountable (spiritually) for any misteps or abuse of that position. His families spiritual walk is HIS responsibility – that’s a pretty big responsibility. If he leads them astray, or abuses that leadership role – well, I wouldn’t want to be in his shoes on Judgement Day. The Bible says it would be better for a man to tie a big weight around his neck and fall into the deepest ocean, than stand before God on Judgement Day is he has failed his family – especially his children – in their Spiritual Walk.
The verse does NOT mean a woman must do everything her man says, or else! Taken in the Christian context it means that the husband is the one who should diligently seek God on behalf of his family. He should pray for guidance over all family related matters. He is to act honourable in this endeavour at all times; meaning NOT for his own selfish purposes. The wife is to trust her husband in this role. It does not mean that she must always agree. Certainly she will also seek God and His wisdom on her own, and yes, pray for her husband to know Gods’ plan for their family. Certainly there will be disputes, but either husband or wife must absolutely always act with love and respect towards one another. That is the most important part of the verse. You can disagree with your husband on any matter, and still be respectful.
I am so not going to get into this subject. I believe everyone has the right to believe in their own way and that no one has the right to put any one down for it. And that violence is never acceptable. I found you on the over 40 blog hot! Your blog is really good and makes me think! I’m following you, hope yoy will follow back http://bridgetsdaughter5577.blogspot,com
Congrats on being syndicated on Blog Her. How exciting. I am so happy for you!
(Because I always have to be the devil’s advocate for some reason) I have to agree with some part of his point. A man will be an abuser because he’s an asshole, not because of anything you did or didn’t do and so being submissive doesn’t open you up to abuse any more than being dominant (or “shrewy”) does.
That being said, I think a lot of women have an exaggerated notion of what submission means, and it’s not at all the same as being a door mat or being abused. A household can’t really have two heads just like there can’t be two Alpha Dogs in the pack, so somebody is going to have to “submit,” which is really just as simple as saying “you’re my man and I trust your judgement” when he makes a decision on something (and let’s be real… why the hell did you marry him if you can’t trust his judgement sometimes?). Is that abuse?
Just saying…
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